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'''Low eco''' is a speedrun category in [[Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy]] that restricts the player to using the lowest possible amount of eco needed to completed the game.  
[[File:Lava Tube Skip Cold Spot Movement.gif|frame|Movement performed on cold spots in Lava Tube.]]
[[File:Lava Tube 5 Rock Pattern Cold Spot.jpg|thumb|The 5 rock pattern cold spot shown with and without collision material renderer.]]
'''Lava tube skip''' is a skip that bypasses the 72 power cell requirement to pass through Lava Tube.


The Low Eco category is known for its utilization of difficult and unorthodox strategies and techniques that aren't found in any other category. It scrutinizes the runner's true knowledge of the game and puts their abilities to the test.
== Tutorial ==
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO-Pp0Ae6tE</youtube>


== Rules ==
== Technical ==


The [https://www.speedrun.com/jak1ext?h=Low_Eco-Lowest&rules=category&x=jdzr18r2-38dmz3z8.z19nmr8q currently listed rules] for Low Eco are as follows:
<blockquote>
''Beat the game as fast as possible while collecting as few eco pickups as possible.''


''Currently, the only eco required to beat the game are the 8 on final boss (3 blue for launchers and 5 yellow. Green eco on the second phase must be avoided).''
== Discovery ==
The discovery of Lava Tube Skip was a collaborative effort by Kuitar , blahpy , headstrong , Bobbykaze , and Grig.


''If eco is accidentally collected, you may load a save file to a previous state in the game, or immediately die to return to a previous checkpoint. Otherwise, you must reset.''
== Other Notes ==
 
''No restrictions with the exception of Lava Tube Skip, which is banned.''
</blockquote>
[[Lava Tube Skip]] is banned in Low Eco. If it wasn't, Low Eco would be a slower and more boring version of [[Any%]]. The point of the category is to see how a runner manages to complete various tasks without the use of eco.
 
Some people question why [[Fire Canyon Skip]] isn't banned in Low Eco. With Lava Tube Skip banned, the runner needs to meet the 72 power cell requirement in Lava Tube. To achieve this, they will have to collect some power cells in Hub 1 levels. It would not make sense, and would be much slower, to skip Hub 1 with Fire Canyon Skip only to have to return to collect power cells.
 
== Demonstration Video ==
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EHTr2gkZEA</youtube>


== Notable Strategies & Techniques ==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YgCHsN0zk4 This method of Lava Tube Skip] has never been completed in one go without save states. (January 22, 2016)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQjX9KTZGkQ Geyser Rock - Open The Precursor Door, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ObwbzZRiI Forbidden Jungle - Secret Door Cell, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxmqEi56NKI Forbidden Jungle - Temple Scoutfly, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGDywyNopo4 Sentinel Beach - Unblock The Eco Harvester, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2ETsBHa30 Lost Precursor City - Button Clip / SixHop]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=gkU__7r8y3O3X_PT&t=2342 Lost Precursor City - First Slide on Foot]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=5hajhbDehemhwthl&t=2432 Lost Precursor City - Exiting LPC Up the Slide]
* [https://youtu.be/5EHTr2gkZEA?si=W9WegDgPySdKOQVI&t=2203 Boggy Swamp - Ambush, No Eco]
* [https://youtu.be/2fQvxCuy4L8?si=fsIzaL-Bx8XZlfj4&t=49 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #1]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=tZ6Rbc34QwJfzR35&t=2714 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #2]
* [https://youtu.be/5EHTr2gkZEA?si=Yn-v2k-1fDOAAniu&t=2429 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #3]
* [https://youtu.be/WFlTSHjxZoA?si=zhyM5uLrtuXmnyi0&t=73 Mountain Pass - Avoiding Eco Using the Zoomer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J76p2WUQpM0 Snowy Mountain - Stop The 3 Lurker Glacier Troops, No Eco]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=Hgl4XkEcf8w97yWd&t=3902 Volcanic Crater - Find the Hidden Power Cell, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrldCVAhFg Lava Tube - Oranges Skip]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=Ty48MDamoR-XFtV3&t=4410 Gol and Maia's Citadel - Skip the Blue Eco Platform at Final Boss]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=YeyTeASzA5yLy03T&t=4431 Gol and Maia's Citadel - Trigger Final Boss Handicap]


== Category Variants ==
Grig found the first RTA setup for the scoutfly boosted, which would later be used in runs using Lava Tube Skip v2.5.
=== True Low Eco ===
The current rules for Low Eco say that the player is allowed to collect 8 necessary pieces of eco during the final boss fight. 5 yellow eco pieces to deal damage to the boss and 3 blue eco pieces to use the jump pad.


This, however, is not the true minimum amount of eco required to complete the game. By performing rocket uppercuts during the dark eco bomb segments, it is possible for Jak to get high enough so that when the bomb explodes, the fight does not end. This removes the requirement of the 3 blue eco pieces and brings the true required eco count down to 5.  
Two days before this first WR, on June 21, 2016, headstrong was the first to [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/74074299?t=00h28m55s fully complete the out of bounds ledge grabs in real time]. The use of an [[Idle Deload|idle deload]] in the skip (what is referred to as '''v2''') was not put forward until June 23, 2016, when headstrong & Kuitar raced to see who could complete a run with Lava Tube Skip v2, using the ledge-grabs from v1 and the new Idle Deload. On that day, headstrong became the first to finish a run with Lava Tube Skip v2 (1h51m15s) and first to get a WR with the skip (37m43s), while Kuitar also completed a run with the skip.


<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqyxiuEm9Ic</youtube>
Bobbykaze replaced the out of bounds ledge grabs used in Lava Tube Skip v2 with the [[Scoutfly Boosted|scoutfly boosted]] setup that Grig had found, completing the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSV945T8uLA&t=1344s first WR with Lava Tube Skip v2.5] in 28:20.


=== Low Eco Max% ===
Max% refers to completing as much of the game as possible while still adhering to the original category rules. In this case, Low Eco Max% refers to completing as much of the game while still adhering to the Low Eco leaderboard rules. Below is a chart of all the missions and tasks in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy that can be completed without the use of eco.


{| class="wikitable" style="margin:left"
{{Skips}}
|+ Low Eco Max% Chart
|-
!  Location !! Mission !! Requires Eco !! Purchased
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock || Find the Cell on the Path || No || No
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Open the Precursor Door || No|| No
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Climb up the Cliff || No || No
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Mayor || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 90 Orbs to Your Uncle || No|| Yes
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Herd the Yakows into the Pen || No || No
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Connect the Eco Beams || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Get to the Top of the Temple || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Find the Blue Vent Switch || No || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Defeat the Dark Eco Plant || No || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Catch 200 Pounds of Fish || No || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Follow the Canyon to the Sea || No || No
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Open the Locked Temple Door || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Unblock the Eco Harvesters || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Push the Flut Flut Egg Off the Cliff || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Get the Power Cell From the Pelican || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Chase the Seagulls || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Launch up to the Tower || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Explore the Beach || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Climb the Sentinel || No || No
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Catch the Sculptor's Muse || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Climb the Lurker Ship || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Stop the Cannon || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Return to the Dark Eco Pool || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Destroy the Balloon Lurkers || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Use the Zoomer to Reach the Power Cell || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Use Blue Eco to Reach the Power Cell || No || No
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #ffbc7d;" | Fire Canyon || Reach the End of the Fire Canyon || No || No
|-
| style="background: #ffbc7d;" | Fire Canyon || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Gambler || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Geologist || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Warrior || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Herd the Moles Into Their Holes || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Catch the Flying Lurkers || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Beat the Record Time on the Gorge || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Get the Power Cell Over The Lake || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Cure the Dark Eco Infected Plants || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Navigate the Purple Precursor Rings || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Navigate the Blue Precursor Rings || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Raise the Chamber || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Follow the Colored Pipes || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Reach the Bottom of the City || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Quickly Cross the Dangerous Pool || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Match the Platform Colors || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Climb the Slide Tube || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Reach the Center of the Complex || No || No
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Ride the Flut Flut || No || No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Protect Farthy's Snacks || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Defeat the Lurker Ambush || No || No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Defeat Klaww || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Reach the End of Mountain Pass || No || No
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Find the Hidden Power Cell || No || No
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No
|}
 
== Other Notes ==

Revision as of 07:53, 16 February 2024

Movement performed on cold spots in Lava Tube.
The 5 rock pattern cold spot shown with and without collision material renderer.

Lava tube skip is a skip that bypasses the 72 power cell requirement to pass through Lava Tube.

Tutorial

Technical

Discovery

The discovery of Lava Tube Skip was a collaborative effort by Kuitar , blahpy , headstrong , Bobbykaze , and Grig.

Other Notes

This method of Lava Tube Skip has never been completed in one go without save states. (January 22, 2016)

Grig found the first RTA setup for the scoutfly boosted, which would later be used in runs using Lava Tube Skip v2.5.

Two days before this first WR, on June 21, 2016, headstrong was the first to fully complete the out of bounds ledge grabs in real time. The use of an idle deload in the skip (what is referred to as v2) was not put forward until June 23, 2016, when headstrong & Kuitar raced to see who could complete a run with Lava Tube Skip v2, using the ledge-grabs from v1 and the new Idle Deload. On that day, headstrong became the first to finish a run with Lava Tube Skip v2 (1h51m15s) and first to get a WR with the skip (37m43s), while Kuitar also completed a run with the skip.

Bobbykaze replaced the out of bounds ledge grabs used in Lava Tube Skip v2 with the scoutfly boosted setup that Grig had found, completing the first WR with Lava Tube Skip v2.5 in 28:20.


Skips in the Jak and Daxter series
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Sequence Breaking Skips Fire Canyon Skip • Boulder Skip • Lava Tube Skip • Citadel Skip
Cutscene Skips Blue Sage Cutscene Skip • Gondola Skip • Power Cell Cutscene Skips • Red Sage Cutscene Skip • Keira Cutscene Skip
Other Skips Bite Skip • Cave Hops • Citadel Hops • Fortress Skip • Gondola Skip • Klaww Skip • LPC Elevator Skip • Oranges Skip • Piggyback Skip • Puzzle Skip • Rock Hops • Tower Climb • Tree Hops • Yellow Vent Skip
Jak II Sequence Breaking Skips Mar's Tomb Skip • Robot Skip • Percent Warp
Other Skips Checkpoint Warp • Krew Skip • Lap Skip • Shaft Skip • Underport Skip
Jak 3 Sequence Breaking Skips BTR Skip • Kleiver Skip • Cave Skip • Volcano Skip • Ashelin Skip • Temple Skip • Sewers Skip • Haven Skip
Other Skips placeholder1 • placeholder2
Jak X Track Skips Badland Sanctuary • Beachfront Drive • Canyon Run • City Outskirts • Dethdrome • Eastern Tour • Forbidden Jungle • Frozen Speedway • Glacier Alley • Haven City • Icebound Citadel • Kras City • Loading Docks • Mountaintop Highweay • Norther Tour • Precursor Temple • Seaport Strip • Sewer Raceway • Southern Tour • Spargus City • Timberline Track • Waterfront Loop • Waterworks Circuit • Western Tour
Daxter Sequence Breaking Skips Construction Site 1 Skip • Construction Site 2 Skip • Prison Door Skip • Strip Mine 2 Skip • Tanker Skip
Other Skips placeholder1 • placeholder2
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier Sequence Breaking Skips placeholder1 • placeholder2
Other Skips placeholder1 • placeholder2


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