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(Created page with "Red Sage cutscene skip is a skip in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy that allows a player to skip the cutscene that plays after opening the teleport gate in the Red Sage's lab. The skip is performed by using a pause buffer to delay the start of the cutscene once it is triggered. Jak then dies in the lava during the pause buffer and the cutscene starts after the player exits the start menu. The game attempts to play the cutscene but cannot since Jak is in a dead state...")
 
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'''Low eco''' is a speedrun category in [[Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy]] that restricts the player to using the lowest possible amount of eco needed to completed the game.  
Red Sage cutscene skip is a skip in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy that allows a player to skip the cutscene that plays after opening the teleport gate in the Red Sage's lab. The skip is performed by using a pause buffer to delay the start of the cutscene once it is triggered. Jak then dies in the lava during the pause buffer and the cutscene starts after the player exits the start menu. The game attempts to play the cutscene but cannot since Jak is in a dead state. Once Jak respawns, the cutscene is flagged as watched and the game will assume the teleport gate has been opened as intended.


The Low Eco category is known for its utilization of difficult and unorthodox strategies and techniques that aren't found in any other category. It scrutinizes the runner's true knowledge of the game and puts their abilities to the test.
The Red Sage teleport gate needs to be opened to activate the gondola that takes Jak to Snowy Mountain.  


== Rules ==
== Tutorial ==


The [https://www.speedrun.com/jak1ext?h=Low_Eco-Lowest&rules=category&x=jdzr18r2-38dmz3z8.z19nmr8q currently listed rules] for Low Eco are as follows:
== Technical ==
<blockquote>
''Beat the game as fast as possible while collecting as few eco pickups as possible.''


''Currently, the only eco required to beat the game are the 8 on final boss (3 blue for launchers and 5 yellow. Green eco on the second phase must be avoided).''
== Discovery ==
There are different variants of Red Sage cutscene skip, but the current method was discovered by Sultra.  


''If eco is accidentally collected, you may load a save file to a previous state in the game, or immediately die to return to a previous checkpoint. Otherwise, you must reset.''
== Other Notes
 
''No restrictions with the exception of Lava Tube Skip, which is banned.''
</blockquote>
[[Lava Tube Skip]] is banned in Low Eco. If it wasn't, Low Eco would be a slower and more boring version of [[Any%]]. The point of the category is to see how a runner manages to complete various tasks without the use of eco.
 
Some people question why [[Fire Canyon Skip]] isn't banned in Low Eco. With Lava Tube Skip banned, the runner needs to meet the 72 power cell requirement in Lava Tube. To achieve this, they will have to collect some power cells in Hub 1 levels. It would not make sense, and would be much slower, to skip Hub 1 with Fire Canyon Skip only to have to return to collect power cells.
 
== Demonstration Video ==
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EHTr2gkZEA</youtube>
 
== Notable Strategies & Techniques ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQjX9KTZGkQ Geyser Rock - Open The Precursor Door, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ObwbzZRiI Forbidden Jungle - Secret Door Cell, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxmqEi56NKI Forbidden Jungle - Temple Scoutfly, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGDywyNopo4 Sentinel Beach - Unblock The Eco Harvester, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2ETsBHa30 Lost Precursor City - Button Clip / SixHop]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=gkU__7r8y3O3X_PT&t=2342 Lost Precursor City - First Slide on Foot]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=5hajhbDehemhwthl&t=2432 Lost Precursor City - Exiting LPC Up the Slide]
* [https://youtu.be/5EHTr2gkZEA?si=W9WegDgPySdKOQVI&t=2203 Boggy Swamp - Ambush, No Eco]
* [https://youtu.be/2fQvxCuy4L8?si=fsIzaL-Bx8XZlfj4&t=49 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #1]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=tZ6Rbc34QwJfzR35&t=2714 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #2]
* [https://youtu.be/5EHTr2gkZEA?si=Yn-v2k-1fDOAAniu&t=2429 Boggy Swamp - Flut Flut Out of Bounds #3]
* [https://youtu.be/WFlTSHjxZoA?si=zhyM5uLrtuXmnyi0&t=73 Mountain Pass - Avoiding Eco Using the Zoomer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J76p2WUQpM0 Snowy Mountain - Stop The 3 Lurker Glacier Troops, No Eco]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=Hgl4XkEcf8w97yWd&t=3902 Volcanic Crater - Find the Hidden Power Cell, No Eco]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrldCVAhFg Lava Tube - Oranges Skip]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=Ty48MDamoR-XFtV3&t=4410 Gol and Maia's Citadel - Skip the Blue Eco Platform at Final Boss]
* [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=YeyTeASzA5yLy03T&t=4431 Gol and Maia's Citadel - Trigger Final Boss Handicap]
 
== Category Variants ==
=== True Low Eco ===
The current rules for Low Eco say that the player is allowed to collect 8 necessary pieces of eco during the final boss fight. 5 yellow eco pieces to deal damage to the boss and 3 blue eco pieces to use the jump pad.
 
This, however, is not the true minimum amount of eco required to complete the game. By performing rocket uppercuts during the dark eco bomb segments, it is possible for Jak to get high enough so that when the bomb explodes, the fight does not end. This removes the requirement of the 3 blue eco pieces and brings the true required eco count down to 5.
 
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqyxiuEm9Ic</youtube>
 
=== Low Eco Max% ===
Max% refers to completing as much of the game as possible while still adhering to the original category rules. In this case, Low Eco Max% refers to completing as much of the game while still adhering to the Low Eco leaderboard rules. Below is a chart of all the missions and tasks in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy that can be completed without the use of eco.
 
{| class="wikitable" style="margin:left"
|+ Low Eco Max% Chart
|-
!  Location !! Mission !! Requires Eco !! Purchased || Notes
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock || Find the Cell on the Path || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Open the Precursor Door || No|| No || [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=qCOF41muyYdb1W5h&t=145 Scale the rock wall and go over the door].
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Climb up the Cliff || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #dcffb8;" | Geyser Rock  || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Mayor || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 90 Orbs to Your Uncle || No|| Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Herd the Yakows into the Pen || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #fffecc;" | Sandover Village || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Connect the Eco Beams || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Get to the Top of the Temple || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || Blue eco is required to use the launch pad and activate the platforms to reach the top. [[Bridge Blast]] could theoretically get Jak to the top without eco.
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Find the Blue Vent Switch || style="background: orange;" | Dependent || No || If '''Get to the Top of the Temple''' can be completed without eco, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t9bxACw0vg this is possible without eco].
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Defeat the Dark Eco Plant || style="background: orange;" | Dependent || No || If '''Get to the Top of the Temple''' can be completed without eco, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t9bxACw0vg this is possible without eco].
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Catch 200 Pounds of Fish || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Follow the Canyon to the Sea || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #bbfc9d;" | Forbidden Jungle || Open the Locked Temple Door || No || No || [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ObwbzZRiI Get out of bounds and go under the door].
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Unblock the Eco Harvesters || No || No || [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGDywyNopo4 Roll jumping will unblock the harvesters without collecting the green eco].
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Push the Flut Flut Egg Off the Cliff || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Get the Power Cell From the Pelican || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Chase the Seagulls || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Launch up to the Tower || No || No || [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daJaVzA34G0 Climb to the top of the tower].
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Explore the Beach || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Climb the Sentinel || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #cfffe0;" | Sentinel Beach || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Catch the Sculptor's Muse || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Climb the Lurker Ship || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Stop the Cannon || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Return to the Dark Eco Pool || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Destroy the Balloon Lurkers || No || No || Using a scoutfly duplication bug and [[Ghost Glitch|ghost glitch]], it is possible to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVG33ZB4h5A destroy balloon lurkers without collecting their eco].
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Use the Zoomer to Reach the Power Cell || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Use Blue Eco to Reach the Power Cell || No || No || Do a [[Boosted Uppercut|boosted uppercut]] to reach the power cell.
|-
| style="background: #d6d6ce;" | Misty Island || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #ffbc7d;" | Fire Canyon || Reach the End of the Fire Canyon || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #ffbc7d;" | Fire Canyon || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Gambler || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Geologist || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 90 Orbs to the Warrior || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c1d2de;" | Rock Village || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Herd the Moles Into Their Holes || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Catch the Flying Lurkers || No || No || Activate [[Ghost Glitch|ghost glitch]], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Xn16p1NLM enter Basin on foot, then attack the flying lurkers on foot].
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Beat the Record Time on the Gorge || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Get the Power Cell Over The Lake || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Cure the Dark Eco Infected Plants || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || The mission can be skipped by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdtI7upgOc deloading the plants], but Jak is required to touch them with green eco first.
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Navigate the Purple Precursor Rings || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Navigate the Blue Precursor Rings || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c7fc8b;" | Precursor Basin || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Raise the Chamber || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Follow the Colored Pipes || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Reach the Bottom of the City || No || No || Use the [https://youtu.be/VVxwqjwfw8M?si=Re4FBnV4VNfkawR0&t=110 dark eco tube skip] to avoid having to use blue eco at the end of the climb back up.
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Quickly Cross the Dangerous Pool || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Match the Platform Colors || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Climb the Slide Tube || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Reach the Center of the Complex || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c5ccfc;" | Lost Precursor City || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Ride the Flut Flut || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Protect Farthy's Snacks || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No || Immediately locks Jak in first person view and gives him yellow eco.
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Defeat the Lurker Ambush || No || No || There are a few ways to get into the ambush [https://youtu.be/5EHTr2gkZEA?si=ghTXcvTnoAWh-uEu&t=2205 without using blue eco on the launch pad].
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No || Can only be broken by a yellow eco shot.
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes|| No || Can only be broken by a yellow eco shot.
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || Can only be broken by a yellow eco shot.
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Break the Tethers to the Zeppelin || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || Can only be broken by a yellow eco shot.
|-
| style="background: #afb579;" | Boggy Swamp || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Defeat Klaww || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || A spin kick during lava walk can hurt Klaww, but Jak will die in the lava right after.
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Reach the End of Mountain Pass || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Find the Hidden Power Cell || No || No || This cell can be acquired without eco by using [[Tree Hops|tree hops]], [[Cave Hops|cave hops]], or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5U99Vpvto backtracking on foot].
|-
| style="background: #88a185;" | Mountain Pass || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 90 Orbs to the Miners || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 90 Orbs to the Miners || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 90 Orbs to the Miners || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 90 Orbs to the Miners || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Bring 120 Orbs to the Oracle || No || Yes ||
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Find the Hidden Power Cell || No || No || This cell can be acquired without eco [https://youtu.be/xz4Th7xRXgQ?si=xPzQriLsbenpfmmC&t=3903 using Flut Flut].
|-
| style="background: #c98261;" | Volcanic Crater || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Use your Goggles to Shoot the Gnawing Lurkers || style="background: red; color:white;" | Yes || No || These enemies can only be destroyed with yellow eco shots.
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Destroy the Dark Eco Crystals || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Explore the Dark Cave || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Climb the Giant Robot || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Launch to the Poles || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Navigate the Spider Tunnel || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Climb the Precursor Platforms || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #b9add9;" | Spider Cave || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Find the Yellow Vent Switch || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Stop the 3 Lurker Glacier Troops || No || No || When these lurkers are not paying attention to Jak, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J76p2WUQpM0 they can be killed without red eco].
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Deactivate the Precursor Blockers || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Open the Frozen Crate || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Get through the Lurker Fort || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Open the Lurker Fort Gate || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Survive the Lurker Infested Cave || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #d7fcfc;" | Snowy Mountain || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #fc7e7e;" | Lava Tube || Cross the Lava Tube || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #fc7e7e;" | Lava Tube || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #e2bcf5;" | Gol and Maia's Citadel || Free the Blue Sage || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #e2bcf5;" | Gol and Maia's Citadel || Free the Red Sage || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #e2bcf5;" | Gol and Maia's Citadel || Free the Yellow Sage || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #e2bcf5;" | Gol and Maia's Citadel || Free the Green Sage || No || No ||
|-
| style="background: #e2bcf5;" | Gol and Maia's Citadel || Free 7 Scout Flies || No || No ||
|}
 
== Other Notes ==
Before it was known that the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFlTSHjxZoA Mountain Pass race could be completed on the zoomer without using eco], runners found a way to complete the race on foot. They would use the [https://youtu.be/hzVE9decTco?si=bUnxE6jEwhIeeYss&t=2379 traditional method of '''first phase skip''' during the fight with Klaww to reach the center island]. When they got there, they would take damage to get down to one health. Then, they would grab the ledge to get [[Lava Walk|lava walk]] while at one health which would activate [[Ghost Glitch|ghost glitch]]. After then walking to the Mountain Pass race, they would complete the race on foot. As long as ghost glitch was active, the race's failure cutscene would not play and Jak was free to walk to the end of the race.

Revision as of 01:00, 16 February 2024

Red Sage cutscene skip is a skip in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy that allows a player to skip the cutscene that plays after opening the teleport gate in the Red Sage's lab. The skip is performed by using a pause buffer to delay the start of the cutscene once it is triggered. Jak then dies in the lava during the pause buffer and the cutscene starts after the player exits the start menu. The game attempts to play the cutscene but cannot since Jak is in a dead state. Once Jak respawns, the cutscene is flagged as watched and the game will assume the teleport gate has been opened as intended.

The Red Sage teleport gate needs to be opened to activate the gondola that takes Jak to Snowy Mountain.

Tutorial

Technical

Discovery

There are different variants of Red Sage cutscene skip, but the current method was discovered by Sultra.

== Other Notes